This piece was the first work that I undertook with Odhràn. He drew this at my demand for we were talking about drawing to which he told me that he didn't like drawing. I asked him why?, he replied, that he was no good at it and that the others in were much better than he. It was at this point that I realized that he was talking about drawing images that conform to direct representation. I explained to him that art wasn't like writing with strict rules in form but more to do with giving form to the hearts expression. His heart and his expression were not to be compared as would two drawings of, lets say an apple. After this I asked him to draw what he liked and we would make it with wire. The experience was successful in the sense that I never herd him complaining about drawing and secondly it gave me a whole new area to explore in my work.